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How to buy used key fobs - SPA/CMA key fob and config guide |
Posted by: Power6 - 12-09-2023, 04:56 AM - Forum: OrBit How-To Guides
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With the release of key programming in OrBit, I thought it would be good to share everything I have learned in developing and testing with the different types of fobs. I'll start with some notes about keys.
- You can program any compatible key fob to the car, new or used. There is no key "virginizing" needed with the Volvo key fobs.
- There are variations in key fob frequency: 434MHz, 315MHz and 434MHz "narrow band"(for S. Korea). Check Item 092 in OrBit when connected to your car to see which you have.
- I am focusing on the 434MHz keys used in North America, but there is enough similarty this should still be helpful for those in markets with different remote frequency.
- I'll talk about the key variations, but not part numbers, there are far too many to track them all, and I was more interested in using recycled keys.
- These cars can have 2 variations of key equipment, "keyless starting" or "keyless locking and unlocking (Passive Entry)". They use the same key fobs, and same programming process.
Key varitations - Motion Sensing (MS)
Starting in 2021, Volvo updated key fobs with new cars to "Motion Sensing" style. The sole purpose of the motion sensing key is to be resistant to "relay attack" theft that proximity key fob systems are vulnerable to. The key shuts off, it won't respond to the car, when left sitting still for some length of time, via a motion sensor integrated in the fob. Volvo offers an accessory for pre-2021 cars to upgrade the keys to the "MS" type. The kit is an entire set of replacement key fobs for the car.
You can identify these keys by the mfr (Huf) model number HUF8423 is the non-MS, while the MS key is approproately the HUF8423MS. You can also use the FCCID that is popular for used keys to be advertised and sold by: YGOHUF8423 / YGOHUF8423MS. The various part and regulatory numbers are printed in the area inside the key, under where the key blade sits. On the sport key tag the printing is on the back of the case, the models of sport key tag are HUF8432/HUF8432MS, FCCID YGOHUF8432/YGOHUF8432MS. (note these are the 434Mhz specific parts)
You can use and program these keys interchangably. The motion sensing feature is entirely contained within the key fob.
Key variations - Styles and shells
There are various different looking styles of keys. Volvo looks to have "cheapened" the keys over the years. My 2019 S60 came new with 2 leather shell key fobs matching the interior color, plus the buttonless waterproof sport key tag. I understand new Volvos today come with 2 plastic shell key fobs. Volvo has also offered some accessory replacement key shells in various colors and finishes like woodgrain.
All shells appear to be compatible with all fobs, you can mix and match them as you like. I upgraded my car with used "MS" keys with the cheap plastic shell, I simply swapped my original leather shells to the replacement key fobs. I also picked up a sweet unused amber leather shell from EBay at a great price, so now my wife knows which fob is hers, and there won't be any doubt as to "who" lost their key fob that was missing for 9 months around the house!! (It was somewhere under the seat of her Mazda)
One note is some of the plastic shell keys have black buttons. Swapping a shell from a "silver button" key will give the key a different look, but of course the function won't be affected.
There is not too much to know about the sport key tag, the battery is not technically replacable, but it can be done. So buying those used it up to you. I could never get the case apart so it goes back together well. I bought a new MS key tag to upgrade. Then I noticed the ket tag I had replaced under warranty, was already the MS type! So I got 2 good MS key tags in my collection now.
Key variations - Restricted Key and Care Key
Volvo has offered 2 "special" key types:
Restricted Key (Red Key): This key allows using the car with various restrictions. Speed limited, stereo volume limited, not able to turn off some safety features
Care Key (Orange Key): This key allows using the car with a maximum speed limit. If a maximum speed limit is not set, it is essentially a normal key
Restricted or care key are controlled by car config. For normal Volvo owners this is set at the factory, although Volvo does have a service software the dealer can order to disable restricted key function on a car, at the owners request. Of course we here have OrBit, so we can control the special key function through item 214 "RESTRICTED KEY FUNCTION". You may have questions about the behavior of these special keys as you program them to your own car. I will give a few notes and examples to make it clear. i don't know that all cars support both Restricted Key and Care Key, so the below is subject to what your model/year supports. (Note my 2019 does not support Care Key setting, so I have done my best to work this out, feel free to add any corrections in a reply!).
- If item 214 is set to "01 Without restricted key":
- Any red key or orange key programmed to the car works as a normal key
- If item 214 is set to "02 Restricted Key":
- Any red key or orange key operates as a Restricted Key
- If item 214 is set to "03 Restricted key - Care Key":
- Any red key or orange key operates as a Care Key
It does not matter when you program the key fob to the car, you can change config any time and the operation of the special keys will follow the above. this also means you cannot program multiple "special" keys to the car and have them behave differently, all special keys will follow the config setting of item 214.
A small note...if you swap shells around with your keys, do not worry about losing track of the special keys. The shell release slider on the fob matches the color of the original shell, orange or red, so you can identify the special keys without the shell.
Also there are definitely MS and non-MS versions of Red Keys, I think the newer Care Keys are all MS version.
For Polestar peeps: All the above applies. I don't know that Polestar cars ever used the special keys. You can mix and match with the Volvo keys, the model and FCCID is the same, just with that bulkier Polestar shell ;-)
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US Spec 2023 V60 Polestar Engineered Config Settings |
Posted by: STWAGguy - 12-08-2023, 10:24 PM - Forum: Misc
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Below are some settings that I’ve tested on my car, a US-spec 2023 V60 Polestar Engineered. This may provide a good starting point for new Orbit users with a 2023 or 2024 US spec S60, V60 or XC60 Polestar Engineered cars. I’ve not included any LED headlight settings since I preferred the US default headlight configs.
#025 SEAT HEAT CALIBRATION: OEM setting ="6"; I set mine to 1 to lower seat temps, but anything above 6 should raise the seat temps for each of the three heating levels
#068 PANIC FUNCTION: (key button) Set to Function only with light verses light and sound
#121 HEADLIGHT CLEANING OPTION: I’m leaving this at the default for the winter months but will set to "Without Headlight Cleaning" in the spring
#144 DISTANCE ALERT: This eliminates the amber "too close" icon in the drivers display
#158 HEAD UP DISPLAY… UNCHANGED - I tried several and they looked similar but OEM "Graphic 3" setting was required to retain the google turn by turn info
#159 SAFETY BELT REMINDER: Set to Belt Minder front seats only, EU logic to let me start the car before belting up
#323 REAR AUTOMATIC EMERGENCY BRAKING: Set to 01, Without Braking (needed for reversing out of my garage without the car occasionally panic stopping); Disable button still comes up on screen when reversing but I've confirmed that the auto rear braking function is disabled
#359 EXTERIOR SOUND: Set to Not Available to shut off low speed and reversing EV sounds - Must also use #371 as 359 does nothing by itself
#371 EXTERIOR SOUND SYSTEM: Set to "Without" and use with #359. Used by itself it will work, but will generate DTC and error message on startup (same as removing the external speaker fuse)
Edit: The external sounds could no longer be disabled after the 2.13 SW update via these settings alone, but as a workaround you can still remove the fuse and not get the “External Sound Malfunction” message each time you start the car
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Polestar OTA 2.13.1 |
Posted by: BenjiSalts - 12-08-2023, 04:46 PM - Forum: OrBit Q&A - Ask your questions here!
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Hi guys, Newbie here. I just got the OTA for update 2.13.1 for Polestar and as expected, I got a lot of error messages after the update was installed. I was able to reconfigure my car and clear all DTCs but I cannot use ACC or Pilot assist as the car states it’s unavailable. Anyone have this issue after the most recent update? Is there a way to get ACC and pilot to work again? I really like that feature on the car but unfortunately I just have the plus pack which only comes with cruise control. TIA.
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Pixel or nah? |
Posted by: gravygrabber - 12-08-2023, 12:23 AM - Forum: Lights
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How can you tell if you have the pixel lights? It's not listed on my window sticker, says "volvo" on the side of the headlight but I don't see "Pixel" at all.
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Parking sensor / Distance sensor |
Posted by: Denis371 - 11-28-2023, 08:41 AM - Forum: Safety
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Hello guys, when I bought my xc60 T8 2018, I was a little bit disappointed by the parking system sensors, I don't know maybe this is a common problem or maybe just mine.
When you put in the R gear and driving back sometimes there is a delay on detecting obstacles, like the sensor do not see the obstacle, and in a few seconds I'm in the red zone and having a continuous beep, especially on the corner sensors.
Does someone have the same problem?
Is there a way to fine tune the system, maybe to change some settings which will improve the obstacle detection?
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OrBit Beta v0.9.2 release notes |
Posted by: Power6 - 11-27-2023, 03:42 AM - Forum: Releases
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0.9.2 is released. Some new things are added and other features are released out of beta.
NOTE: Sorry for the delay, there were a couple late additions that were really needed, which extended the time to get them done, while anyone waiting for key programming release was hanging on that...
(Latest version of OrBit can always be downloaded here: https://app.spaycetech.com/orbitupdate/download)
New features: - Air Suspension Calibration is now general release, for all licensed cars equipped. Calibrate, and "trim" (lower and raise default height) in one easy dialog with OrBit.
- Key programming is released, and available for all licensed cars. The CEM "Security PIN" is required to be entered to program keys, or see next item about extract.
- CEM Security PIN Extraction is added to support key programming. This is integrated with key programming, OrBit will offer to extract the security PIN to enable the ability to program keys. Not all CEMs are supported. Older CEMs generally not, most newer (2019+) CEMs are, and some newer CEMs are in "experimental" status. OrBit will recognize the CEM and report if it is supported for extracting the security PIN. I will post some guides soon, but intially OrBit fairly well guides you through what you need to program keys. Just connect to your car, and click the "Program Keys" button on the Service tab.
- CMA PHEV models are supported. These FWD PHEV models with single High Voltage Contactor(HVC) were not previously compatible with OrBit safety checks on the HVCs when programming. This support has been added.
Fixes:- Major improvements made to speed in reading data from the car. Connecting to the car, updating display info, and time to read DID data have been improved significantly.
- ABS config clear has been revamped, for all variants but specifically to address intermittent issues on cars with "vacuumless" brake system (BCM2). Some cars were not completing this step successfully every time and left with DTC history causing error messages. This has been resolved.
- Updates to Air Suspension Calibration based on testing and feedback before release. OrBit now stores calibration info and shows actual suspension detected height even when "trimmed" to aid in measurement. Safety limit is added, OrBit won't let you calibrate outside of the same factory allowances as VIDA.
- Updates to Parking Camera Calibration to match specs from VIDA for monitoring and guidance on the process.
- Tweaks have been made to the "ECU Checks" when programming, to reduce the instances of "Flash Failed" due to ECUs not responding, when the situation is not very critical.
- PIN Finder has been updated to resolve an issue of incorrect reported PINs on particularly troublesome capture files, i.e. bad connection quality with dropped packets.
- Various small bug fixes and changes for improved reliability of OrBit
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