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B4204T52 T6 → “Polestar-like” optimisation: T52/T56, hybrid torque blending... - eoviedo - 09-02-2026 Hi everyone, I have been discussing with ChatGPT an idea that started with a fairly simple question but has gradually turned into what I think could be an interesting SPA/OrBit reverse-engineering project: Could a MY2024 T6 Recharge B4204T52 be given a genuine “Polestar-like” optimisation — not simply more power, but the complete powertrain behaviour that Polestar normally changes — even though Volvo/Polestar does not offer the optimisation for this engine? My car is a MY2024 XC60 T6 Recharge (B4204T52, 350 hp system output). I should give ChatGPT credit for most of the research below. I initially asked whether AI could theoretically create a Polestar-type optimisation for a Volvo for which Polestar does not offer one. ChatGPT then researched T6/T8 hardware, Volvo part numbers, ECM references, OrBit parameters and previous discussions on this forum. We have subsequently also gone through technical information and owner discussions concerning the MY22.5+ Extended Range powertrain. What follows is our current working hypothesis. Some part-number matches come from Volvo documentation, parts catalogues and donor vehicles rather than engineering documentation, so I am deliberately treating them as evidence rather than proof. 1. The interesting comparison is specifically the MY22.5+ Extended Range architecture The first important conclusion was that comparing “T6 vs T8” generically is misleading. The relevant family is the newer Extended Range / VEA2 architecture. For MY2024 we have: B4204T52 — T6 Recharge
The MY22.5 B4204T57 is also an interesting reference. It appears to have been an early Extended Range implementation, with essentially T8-level output, ERAD 7 and the C-ISG, before the later B4204T56 became the relevant engine code in many markets. This gives us another useful reference point rather than treating T52/T56 as an isolated pair. 2. B4204T52 vs B4204T56 hardware ChatGPT cross-checked the available documentation and part numbers and found a surprisingly large amount of apparent common hardware. Among the matches/equivalences found so far:
There could still be differences in pistons, rods, internal cooling, valvetrain or other components. However, there seems to be enough common hardware to make the 253/350 → 310/400 difference very interesting from a calibration perspective. 3. Same ECM hardware Another potentially important finding was examples of MY2024 B4204T52 and B4204T56 cars apparently using the same Volvo/Denso ECM hardware: 32383818 / Volvo 36010797 If that is correct, we potentially have: very similar engine architecture + same ECM hardware + different rated engine output. What we do not yet know is whether the software is: A) identical, with the engine/power variant selected through configuration; B) the same executable with different calibration blocks; or C) genuinely different ECM software builds. That distinction seems fundamental. 4. OrBit makes the question particularly interesting OrBit exposes 005 ENGINE with specific engine power/torque variants, including values corresponding to MP and HP versions, and also exposes 368 ENGINE FAMILY TYPE. I also found the previous discussion here concerning a T6 Recharge B4204T52 → T8 B4204T56 conversion. x119's response — that comparing the actual ECM software would be interesting and that, if the software were identical, configuration might potentially select another mapping — is very close to the conclusion ChatGPT and I independently reached. But I want to stress that simply changing 005 ENGINE is not what I am proposing. If the ECM does not contain the corresponding calibration, changing a configuration descriptor obviously cannot magically create it. The interesting question is what the relationship actually is between configuration and calibration on these cars. 5. There may be another important difference: hybrid torque/power blending This is the part of the project that now interests me even more than the ICE power difference. Volvo rates the MY24 T6 as: 253 hp ICE + 145 hp ERAD → 350 hp system while the T8 is: 310 hp ICE + 145 hp ERAD → 455 hp system I realise that individual motor peak outputs cannot automatically be added. They may occur at different rotational speeds/vehicle speeds and there may be battery, inverter and drivetrain constraints. So I am not assuming that the T6 has a simple electronic “350 hp limiter”. However, the difference raises an interesting question: Is the T6/T8 distinction partly a difference in hybrid torque blending and allowed simultaneous ICE/ERAD contribution, rather than only a 253 → 310 hp ECM calibration difference? If so, converting or optimising the ICE alone would tell only part of the story. 6. And there is also the C-ISG The Extended Range technical information adds another component that I initially underestimated. The crankshaft-integrated starter/generator (C-ISG) is substantial and Volvo documentation describes it as working together with the turbo in low-speed operation. This means that actual wheel-torque delivery is potentially a coordinated result of: ICE + C-ISG + ERAD + battery/inverter limits + transmission + hybrid torque management. There are also owner reports suggesting that C-ISG assistance may be particularly noticeable transiently at low speeds / during launch. I therefore wonder whether a proper comparison of T52/T56 should include not only ECM and TCM but also whatever module/configuration determines C-ISG and ERAD torque requests. 7. Why simply enabling “Polestar” is not the objective A genuine Polestar Engineered Optimisation is more than increased engine output. Depending on application, Polestar changes things such as:
In other words, Polestar itself demonstrates that an optimisation can materially improve the car without increasing the headline horsepower figure. That is much closer to what I am interested in. 8. The experiment I would really like to see Rather than inventing a tune, I think a more rigorous approach would be to obtain several OEM reference states: A — B4204T52 T6 OEM B — B4204T56 T8 OEM C — B4204T57 Extended Range, where useful as an additional reference D — B4204T56/T57 T8 with genuine Polestar optimisation Then perform two principal comparisons: Diff 1: T52 OEM → T56 OEM This should tell us how Volvo differentiates the contemporary T6 and T8. Not just in ECM power calibration, but potentially also in hybrid torque coordination. Diff 2: T8 OEM → T8 Polestar This should tell us how Volvo/Polestar optimises the behaviour of an otherwise identical powertrain. The second comparison may actually be the more valuable one. The question would then become: Can the transformation identified in Diff 2 be transferred, where technically applicable, to the B4204T52 architecture? In other words, not: “Make a T6 into a T8.” but: “Apply the engineering philosophy used to transform a T8 into a T8 Polestar to the T6.” 9. Where AI could be useful This is where my discussion with ChatGPT originally started. If sufficiently complete T52/T56/Polestar software and configuration data could be obtained, AI-assisted analysis could potentially help identify:
AI would instead be used as a reverse-engineering assistant to answer: What did Volvo change between T52 and T56? and: What did Polestar change between OEM T8 and Polestar T8? Those known OEM transformations would then define the boundaries of any hypothetical T6 implementation. 10. The target is behaviour, not a horsepower number Earlier in this investigation we discussed possible ICE outputs around 290–300 hp / ~400 Nm. I now think defining the project that way misses the point. I would rather have a T6 with a modest increase in power that behaves exactly as a hypothetical factory Polestar T6 might have behaved than a 450–500 hp aftermarket Stage 1. The desired result would be something like:
not a tuned T6, but an attempt to reconstruct the T6 Polestar that Volvo never made. 11. Questions for x119 / the OrBit community I would therefore be very interested in your thoughts on the following:
At this stage I am much more interested in characterising how Volvo differentiates T6/T8 and how Polestar transforms the complete powertrain behaviour than in blindly flashing anything into the car. The research so far suggests that this could be an interesting SPA/OrBit reverse-engineering exercise rather than simply another chiptuning project. I would be very interested to hear whether anyone here has already investigated any of these layers further — particularly the relationship between 005 ENGINE, ECM calibration and hybrid torque management on the Extended Range cars. P.S. I realise this is a very long post, but I wanted to provide enough context for anyone interested to be able to take the same information and start a conversation with whichever AI agent they use, and perhaps explore the problem independently. I haven't seen much discussion here about using AI for this kind of reverse-engineering work — although I may simply have missed it. If it hasn't really been tried yet, I think it opens up some genuinely interesting possibilities, particularly when the task is not to invent a tune from scratch, but to compare known OEM implementations, identify what Volvo/Polestar actually changed, and reason from those differences. |