https://forums.spaycetech.com/ Wed, 23 Sep 2026 22:05:43 +0000 MyBB https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1448 Wed, 23 Sep 2026 20:46:54 +0000 shulercox@yahoo.com]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1448 https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1447 Sat, 19 Sep 2026 20:21:50 +0000 Artiom]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1447
Did anyone successfully added front parking sensors gen3 in you volvo Android? 
Need some advice if yes.]]>
Did anyone successfully added front parking sensors gen3 in you volvo Android? 
Need some advice if yes.]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1446 Fri, 18 Sep 2026 07:36:08 +0000 FilipT8]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1446 https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1445 Wed, 16 Sep 2026 20:31:21 +0000 mmati8]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1445 I’m looking for some advice regarding my Volvo D4 FWD, 2.0 190PS, 2019, 174.000KM
l scanned the car using Orbit and got these two active fault codes in the ECM:

• P225E00 – NOx Sensor Performance - Signal Stuck High Bank 1 Sensor 2
  
• P20EE00 – SCR NOx Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)
  

Timeline & Symptoms:

• 3,000 km ago: After a long, fast highway trip driving at 160-170 km/h, I first noticed a gray ash/soot buildup on the exhaust tips.
  
• Today: While driving, I got a Check Engine light, noticed a strong, distinct ammonia/urea (AdBlue) smell from the exhaust, and saw a significant puff of gray smoke under acceleration (which later disappeared).
  

My questions:

1. Does this diagnostics via Orbit point directly to a failing rear NOx sensor (Sensor 2) that needs to be replaced, or could this be a secondary consequence of something else, like a clogged DPF or a failing SCR catalyst?
   
2. Is there anything else I should check, reset, or perform in Orbit regarding these codes before or after replacing the sensor?
   

Any insights or similar experiences would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance.

Thnx,
Mati]]> I’m looking for some advice regarding my Volvo D4 FWD, 2.0 190PS, 2019, 174.000KM
l scanned the car using Orbit and got these two active fault codes in the ECM:

• P225E00 – NOx Sensor Performance - Signal Stuck High Bank 1 Sensor 2
  
• P20EE00 – SCR NOx Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)
  

Timeline & Symptoms:

• 3,000 km ago: After a long, fast highway trip driving at 160-170 km/h, I first noticed a gray ash/soot buildup on the exhaust tips.
  
• Today: While driving, I got a Check Engine light, noticed a strong, distinct ammonia/urea (AdBlue) smell from the exhaust, and saw a significant puff of gray smoke under acceleration (which later disappeared).
  

My questions:

1. Does this diagnostics via Orbit point directly to a failing rear NOx sensor (Sensor 2) that needs to be replaced, or could this be a secondary consequence of something else, like a clogged DPF or a failing SCR catalyst?
   
2. Is there anything else I should check, reset, or perform in Orbit regarding these codes before or after replacing the sensor?
   

Any insights or similar experiences would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance.

Thnx,
Mati]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1431 Wed, 16 Sep 2026 19:27:21 +0000 Power6]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1431 OrBit 1.3.7 is released! This update introduces a few new features as well as a whole lot of refinements under the covers, updates to the user interface, and good old bug fixes. We are failing at more frequent releases still, but a couple months is not so bad, right?

NOTE: With the release of this OrBit version, only this new release and the previous release v1.3.4.5 will be supported! Older versions of OrBit will fail login process due to the changes made, we had to leave them behind. OrBit notifies you when an updated version is available, don't skip it! If you do, we don't have any sympathy for you ;-)

(Latest version of OrBit can always be downloaded here:https://app.spaycetech.com/orbitupdate/download) The "update notification" in OrBit will be sent later, but you can download the updated install right away from the link.


New features:

Prog Test - New Prog Test routine to test the programing process without making any changes to the car. Useful for troubleshooting and resolving issues with "stuck" modules.

Add ERAD and EFAD calibration routines - Support calibrating replaced ERAD, EFAD or Inverter modules.

Air Suspension Fill/Deflate - Added dialog to manually fill and deflate air suspension system for service.

New Config Advisor - Config Advisor can be opened from Dashboard or the Config tabs, it reads the car config and suggests popular config changes that are compatible with the connected car. The logic will be updated with more of the "lesser known" tweaks in the future. 

New Service Procedures -  **New procedures are published outside of OrBit software updates, however I call them out here as some require new version of OrBit to support them and they are not otherwise announced:

Infotainment - Sensus Map delete (fix bug in procedure) 
Safety - SRS Calibrate Inertial Sensors (fix bug for 2024-up) 


Updated Features:

Updated filters to simplify Configurator - "Show Everything" is removed. The default filter is automatically set to "OrBitEZItems" to show the previous default set of typically used config items, which has been expanded to include many more common config items OrBit users are looking for. The complete list of config items that previously required checking the "Show Everything" box to be seen, can now be viewed by simply clearing the search filter box, or choosing "Clear Filter" from the "Quick Filter" dropdown list. 

Add label to graphing function of DIDs - Add the DID name so it is easier to identify the data logged when monitoring many parameters.

Expanded car status - Usage mode and Telematics status added to the Car Status display when connected in OrBit. Air suspension status renamed to Chassis, will be expanded with chassis status beyond active chassis cars in the future. 

Usage mode control - Usage mode control manually through the Usage Mode status (Inactive, Active, Driving etc.). Click on the status button to open dialog to set the usage mode as well as optionally return control from OrBit to the car when setting the mode. 

Telematics status guides on problem state - Currently only VCM Backup Battery (BuB) lifetime expiration is detected. The user can click on the status button and go through a guided process to recommend the solution, determine if a PIN is needed and reset the BuB lifetime.

"Private" ECUs added to ECU Info - Info is collected and ECUs are handled for modules managed by the CEM: IMS, BBS, OHC, SWM, BMS, WPC, PAKM. Flashing software to the private ECUs is now possible. (Some ECUs previously partial info was already collected where the private ECU responds to diagnostics directly)

Additional information displayed in ECU Info - Added more information stored and displayed in ECU Info: VIN reported for each module that reports it, VIN from VCM certificate loaded, distance (odometer) for each module that reports it. For HCMs, the code string numbers programmed to the HCMs are shown to allow easily comparing to the codes printed on the headlight part sticker. 

Expanded capabilities for software packages - Additional capability added to software packages to cover more cases of complete module software programming and adoption steps automated with the OrBit Software Package.

Updated key programming process info - Added correct graphic for new 2026 Volvos to show the correct key fob placement for the revised interior console.

Login to Orbit - Mostly invisible changes improve reliability, but also some tweaks made: you can cancel the login after entering incorrect code, and login codes sent to email are now valid for 5 minutes (previously 2 minutes)


Improvements and Fixes:

Update Profile - Steamlined profile update, finding new ECUs is no longer required to choose when updating the profile.

Security PIN Extract- Updated the process to handle CEM changes, fix cases where the extract would fail.

ECM Type detection- Recognize Bosch vs Denso ECM and load correct diagnostic data information

Config Wizard fix audio config display - Fix applied settings shows Harman/Kardon is applied for Bowers & Wilkins config, and vice versa.

Recovery from software flash failures - Fixed bugs and improved software flashing to recover critical modules after failed flash, when the critical module is offline.

Improvements to package software downloads - Further improvements to software package downloading, recognize offline state, skip files already cached, fix bug in downloading hosted files.

Disconnected car improvements - Disconnected car is recognized when present and not present state changes, as well as lost connection to the connected car when unplugged to set the connected state correctly in OrBit. 

Fix bug in Usage mode control on late 2026 cars - OrBit can now properly control the usage mode on late 2026 and newer SPA/CMA platform cars.

Login process improvement - Updated for reliability and now can "cancel" login after code is rejected to go back to the initial login step without need to enter 3 rejected codes.

Various bug fixes and reliability improvments - The usual catch all, just like Volvo release notes!]]> OrBit 1.3.7 is released! This update introduces a few new features as well as a whole lot of refinements under the covers, updates to the user interface, and good old bug fixes. We are failing at more frequent releases still, but a couple months is not so bad, right?

NOTE: With the release of this OrBit version, only this new release and the previous release v1.3.4.5 will be supported! Older versions of OrBit will fail login process due to the changes made, we had to leave them behind. OrBit notifies you when an updated version is available, don't skip it! If you do, we don't have any sympathy for you ;-)

(Latest version of OrBit can always be downloaded here:https://app.spaycetech.com/orbitupdate/download) The "update notification" in OrBit will be sent later, but you can download the updated install right away from the link.


New features:

Prog Test - New Prog Test routine to test the programing process without making any changes to the car. Useful for troubleshooting and resolving issues with "stuck" modules.

Add ERAD and EFAD calibration routines - Support calibrating replaced ERAD, EFAD or Inverter modules.

Air Suspension Fill/Deflate - Added dialog to manually fill and deflate air suspension system for service.

New Config Advisor - Config Advisor can be opened from Dashboard or the Config tabs, it reads the car config and suggests popular config changes that are compatible with the connected car. The logic will be updated with more of the "lesser known" tweaks in the future. 

New Service Procedures -  **New procedures are published outside of OrBit software updates, however I call them out here as some require new version of OrBit to support them and they are not otherwise announced:

Infotainment - Sensus Map delete (fix bug in procedure) 
Safety - SRS Calibrate Inertial Sensors (fix bug for 2024-up) 


Updated Features:

Updated filters to simplify Configurator - "Show Everything" is removed. The default filter is automatically set to "OrBitEZItems" to show the previous default set of typically used config items, which has been expanded to include many more common config items OrBit users are looking for. The complete list of config items that previously required checking the "Show Everything" box to be seen, can now be viewed by simply clearing the search filter box, or choosing "Clear Filter" from the "Quick Filter" dropdown list. 

Add label to graphing function of DIDs - Add the DID name so it is easier to identify the data logged when monitoring many parameters.

Expanded car status - Usage mode and Telematics status added to the Car Status display when connected in OrBit. Air suspension status renamed to Chassis, will be expanded with chassis status beyond active chassis cars in the future. 

Usage mode control - Usage mode control manually through the Usage Mode status (Inactive, Active, Driving etc.). Click on the status button to open dialog to set the usage mode as well as optionally return control from OrBit to the car when setting the mode. 

Telematics status guides on problem state - Currently only VCM Backup Battery (BuB) lifetime expiration is detected. The user can click on the status button and go through a guided process to recommend the solution, determine if a PIN is needed and reset the BuB lifetime.

"Private" ECUs added to ECU Info - Info is collected and ECUs are handled for modules managed by the CEM: IMS, BBS, OHC, SWM, BMS, WPC, PAKM. Flashing software to the private ECUs is now possible. (Some ECUs previously partial info was already collected where the private ECU responds to diagnostics directly)

Additional information displayed in ECU Info - Added more information stored and displayed in ECU Info: VIN reported for each module that reports it, VIN from VCM certificate loaded, distance (odometer) for each module that reports it. For HCMs, the code string numbers programmed to the HCMs are shown to allow easily comparing to the codes printed on the headlight part sticker. 

Expanded capabilities for software packages - Additional capability added to software packages to cover more cases of complete module software programming and adoption steps automated with the OrBit Software Package.

Updated key programming process info - Added correct graphic for new 2026 Volvos to show the correct key fob placement for the revised interior console.

Login to Orbit - Mostly invisible changes improve reliability, but also some tweaks made: you can cancel the login after entering incorrect code, and login codes sent to email are now valid for 5 minutes (previously 2 minutes)


Improvements and Fixes:

Update Profile - Steamlined profile update, finding new ECUs is no longer required to choose when updating the profile.

Security PIN Extract- Updated the process to handle CEM changes, fix cases where the extract would fail.

ECM Type detection- Recognize Bosch vs Denso ECM and load correct diagnostic data information

Config Wizard fix audio config display - Fix applied settings shows Harman/Kardon is applied for Bowers & Wilkins config, and vice versa.

Recovery from software flash failures - Fixed bugs and improved software flashing to recover critical modules after failed flash, when the critical module is offline.

Improvements to package software downloads - Further improvements to software package downloading, recognize offline state, skip files already cached, fix bug in downloading hosted files.

Disconnected car improvements - Disconnected car is recognized when present and not present state changes, as well as lost connection to the connected car when unplugged to set the connected state correctly in OrBit. 

Fix bug in Usage mode control on late 2026 cars - OrBit can now properly control the usage mode on late 2026 and newer SPA/CMA platform cars.

Login process improvement - Updated for reliability and now can "cancel" login after code is rejected to go back to the initial login step without need to enter 3 rejected codes.

Various bug fixes and reliability improvments - The usual catch all, just like Volvo release notes!]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1444 Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:54:45 +0000 rlemere1969]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1444 ]]> ]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1443 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 18:21:21 +0000 Bushwacking51]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1443
TLDR:  I can't enable Navigation with Orbit when 04 with Nav is set.

Quick background.
I have a 2019 S60.  I have the Navigation package.
About a year ago the OTA map update failed, I tried to update it with a USB.  It failed and ever sense my navigation says:  Navigation not available.
It is also greyed out in the Settings.

I recently tried Orbit, was able to connect, everything worked.
My Current setting before any changes  to 223 Navigation System and Internet Map was:  04 With Connected navigation, with Internet Map.

What I did was selected 01 Without Connected, wrote to system and disconnected.
Then I selected 04 With Connected Nav, wrote to system and disconnected.

Right now the car still shows, Navigation not available.
I've also loaded maps onto a USB and tried to update them, but nothing happens.  Also no maps show in the Download Maps for OTA updates.

Has anyone resolved this in the past or have any ideas I can try?
Thanks in advance.

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TLDR:  I can't enable Navigation with Orbit when 04 with Nav is set.

Quick background.
I have a 2019 S60.  I have the Navigation package.
About a year ago the OTA map update failed, I tried to update it with a USB.  It failed and ever sense my navigation says:  Navigation not available.
It is also greyed out in the Settings.

I recently tried Orbit, was able to connect, everything worked.
My Current setting before any changes  to 223 Navigation System and Internet Map was:  04 With Connected navigation, with Internet Map.

What I did was selected 01 Without Connected, wrote to system and disconnected.
Then I selected 04 With Connected Nav, wrote to system and disconnected.

Right now the car still shows, Navigation not available.
I've also loaded maps onto a USB and tried to update them, but nothing happens.  Also no maps show in the Download Maps for OTA updates.

Has anyone resolved this in the past or have any ideas I can try?
Thanks in advance.

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Turned on the Polestar Optimization on my 2019 V60 T5 Momentum, however unable to locate the Polestar Optimization button on the centre screen.

The car originally does not have the following:
1. Physical "Drive Mode" scrolling switch
2. "Drive Modes" screen on the centre screen to select Eco, Comfort & etc.
3. "Individual Drive Mode" in "My Car" under Settings

Only has the "ESC Sport Mode" and "ECO" buttons in the Vehicle Functions screen below, e.g.:


Do I need to change something below, in Orbit?

Currently, 
057 - Drive Mode = 01 Without drive mode switch
337 - Centre Console Switch Module = 02 With Dummy button
452 - Drive Mode Switch = 00 Undefined

Thanks!]]>
Turned on the Polestar Optimization on my 2019 V60 T5 Momentum, however unable to locate the Polestar Optimization button on the centre screen.

The car originally does not have the following:
1. Physical "Drive Mode" scrolling switch
2. "Drive Modes" screen on the centre screen to select Eco, Comfort & etc.
3. "Individual Drive Mode" in "My Car" under Settings

Only has the "ESC Sport Mode" and "ECO" buttons in the Vehicle Functions screen below, e.g.:


Do I need to change something below, in Orbit?

Currently, 
057 - Drive Mode = 01 Without drive mode switch
337 - Centre Console Switch Module = 02 With Dummy button
452 - Drive Mode Switch = 00 Undefined

Thanks!]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1441 Fri, 11 Sep 2026 13:29:40 +0000 st_vlad]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1441 Please tell me why I can't connect to the Polestar 3 car using the Orbit software?
When i try connect i have a message - A car is found but is not responding to connection request.
Same laptop with same cable have no connection problem when i use VIDA software


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When i try connect i have a message - A car is found but is not responding to connection request.
Same laptop with same cable have no connection problem when i use VIDA software


  Screenshot 2026-09-11 161636.png (Size: 181.29 KB / Downloads: 46) ]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1440 Fri, 11 Sep 2026 06:30:36 +0000 matuso]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1440 RICA offer this service, but they only sell it as a package with an ECU remap. Honestly, €1,249.93 for an extra 30 hp is a ridiculous price in my opinion, and they won’t sell the transmission remap separately.
Does anyone here know someone who can do a standalone TCM remap?]]> RICA offer this service, but they only sell it as a package with an ECU remap. Honestly, €1,249.93 for an extra 30 hp is a ridiculous price in my opinion, and they won’t sell the transmission remap separately.
Does anyone here know someone who can do a standalone TCM remap?]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1439 Wed, 09 Sep 2026 13:42:26 +0000 GerneralDisarray]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1439 I have seen threads where it tell how to add the Adaptive Cruise Control, but not how to add Normal Cruise Control. 
Is that an option using the OrBit system? Assuming it is, would that delete the adaptive cruise mode, or would it just be a third option?
I appreciate all the help you can offer, because I love the car, but this lack of feature has me reconsidering.
Thanks.]]> I have seen threads where it tell how to add the Adaptive Cruise Control, but not how to add Normal Cruise Control. 
Is that an option using the OrBit system? Assuming it is, would that delete the adaptive cruise mode, or would it just be a third option?
I appreciate all the help you can offer, because I love the car, but this lack of feature has me reconsidering.
Thanks.]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1438 Sun, 06 Sep 2026 10:51:32 +0000 nshekhan]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1438 witch one should I choose.

OrBit Software 1yr with license for flashing 1 VIN: $100
Use this if you already have your CEM/VGM PINs or use OrBit built-in tools for DIY PIN cracking and retrieval from your own log or captures. (Additional cars can be licensed for flashing by VIN for $50 after purchase)

OrBit 1yr

OrBit Software 1yr with license for flashing 1 VIN, WITH CEM PIN retrieval for 1 VIN: $225

(OrBit $100/yr + $125 PIN Service)

Skip the DIY! This is for Volvo Sensus cars (these require CEM PIN for config)

OrBit 1yr
w/PIN for Sensus


thank you if you help me!]]> witch one should I choose.

OrBit Software 1yr with license for flashing 1 VIN: $100
Use this if you already have your CEM/VGM PINs or use OrBit built-in tools for DIY PIN cracking and retrieval from your own log or captures. (Additional cars can be licensed for flashing by VIN for $50 after purchase)

OrBit 1yr

OrBit Software 1yr with license for flashing 1 VIN, WITH CEM PIN retrieval for 1 VIN: $225

(OrBit $100/yr + $125 PIN Service)

Skip the DIY! This is for Volvo Sensus cars (these require CEM PIN for config)

OrBit 1yr
w/PIN for Sensus


thank you if you help me!]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1437 Sun, 06 Sep 2026 01:30:10 +0000 motoracer47]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1437
2022 XC40 Recharge Ultimate (with heat pump) (USA version)

I am rebuilding an auction XC40. Today I replaced the entire cooling clip (radiator, condenser, air duct, shutters etc. 

After draining the radiator, I vacuum filled the system per VIDA service docs. I then fired up orbit to do the bleed procedure. According to the on screen instructions: I start the process, let it run, top off coolant if needed, then when I’m done I hit the stop and degas button.  So I hit start, its starts, then says start failed, but still actually did the bleed procedure. The pumps were running, HV, EB and climate valves were opening and closing, and it would pull coolant from the reservoir, then about 10 seconds later pump it though the radiator overflow tube back into the reservoir. First couple of times got some good air bubbles and needed to add about 12-16 oz of coolant. So far so good. I look at orbit, and in the status section its still cycling between start, and start failed even though it was running. However the “Stop and Degas” button was not working. The only way to stop the process was to hit the close button. I let it run for 10-15 minutes with a battery charger connected to the car, but the button status never changed. 

Did I do something wrong? Is it a bug?  If it does not degas, does that mean I still have air in the system?

TIA for any help!]]>
2022 XC40 Recharge Ultimate (with heat pump) (USA version)

I am rebuilding an auction XC40. Today I replaced the entire cooling clip (radiator, condenser, air duct, shutters etc. 

After draining the radiator, I vacuum filled the system per VIDA service docs. I then fired up orbit to do the bleed procedure. According to the on screen instructions: I start the process, let it run, top off coolant if needed, then when I’m done I hit the stop and degas button.  So I hit start, its starts, then says start failed, but still actually did the bleed procedure. The pumps were running, HV, EB and climate valves were opening and closing, and it would pull coolant from the reservoir, then about 10 seconds later pump it though the radiator overflow tube back into the reservoir. First couple of times got some good air bubbles and needed to add about 12-16 oz of coolant. So far so good. I look at orbit, and in the status section its still cycling between start, and start failed even though it was running. However the “Stop and Degas” button was not working. The only way to stop the process was to hit the close button. I let it run for 10-15 minutes with a battery charger connected to the car, but the button status never changed. 

Did I do something wrong? Is it a bug?  If it does not degas, does that mean I still have air in the system?

TIA for any help!]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1435 Sat, 05 Sep 2026 19:54:40 +0000 JoePolestar2]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1435

1. Go to the ECU Tools or Diagnostics tab.
   
2. Look for the PSCM (Power Steering Control Module) and the FSM/ASD (Forward Sensing/Active Safety Domain Module) in the ECU list.
   
3. Execute a manual Module Reset / ECU Reload on both. (This forces the steering rack and the front radar/cameras to dump their learned visual profiles and completely restart their tracking algorithms from scratch).
   

]]>

1. Go to the ECU Tools or Diagnostics tab.
   
2. Look for the PSCM (Power Steering Control Module) and the FSM/ASD (Forward Sensing/Active Safety Domain Module) in the ECU list.
   
3. Execute a manual Module Reset / ECU Reload on both. (This forces the steering rack and the front radar/cameras to dump their learned visual profiles and completely restart their tracking algorithms from scratch).
   

]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1434 Fri, 04 Sep 2026 18:18:58 +0000 Apansson]]> https://forums.spaycetech.com/showthread.php?tid=1434
Is there any functions for reading values, doing calibration or anything else related to the climate control in orbit? Got some issues with my Polestar 2 climate and need something for troubleshooting. Buying PIN for this could be a waste if I find out I can’t do it.]]>
Is there any functions for reading values, doing calibration or anything else related to the climate control in orbit? Got some issues with my Polestar 2 climate and need something for troubleshooting. Buying PIN for this could be a waste if I find out I can’t do it.]]>